May 5, 2008
Psychiatric drug use in Children
The data shown in this report includes all paid pharmacy claims from July 1, 2006 through June 30, 2007 (State Fiscal Year 2007). The claims are separated into the four different categories of drugs as requested, and further broken down by children in state custody and non-custody. The age range of 0-21 years was used to define who was a child for the purpose of this data request.
The total count of children that were eligible for services during SFY 07 was 497,737; of which 473,008 were non-custody and 24,729 in state custody. The children in state custody are in one of four categories: Child Welfare, Office of Juvenile Affairs (OJA) incarcerated, OJA not incarcerated, and Indian Child Welfare.
Below is a summary of the claims data that was retrieved.
This chart shows unduplicated clients in each age band who received a paid prescription in any of the requested drug categories during SFY 07.
Non - Custody Kids: Custody Kids:
0 – 5 years 6,797 673
6 – 12 years 19,064 2,055
13 – 18 years 15,689 2,278
19 - 21 years 3,876 84
45,426 5,090
This chart shows all the paid pharmacy claims during SFY 07 broken down by drug category.
Category Non - Custody Custody
AntiDepressants 69,543 15,336
AntiPsychotic 58,716 16,568
ADHD 137,441 17,425
AntiAnxiety 33,598 3,480
299,298 52,809
Antidepressants Custody
AMITRIPTYLINE HCL 145
AMOXAPINE 1
BUDEPRION SR 44
BUDEPRION XL 191
BUPROPION HCL 185
BUPROPION HCL SR 213
CITALOPRAM HBR 986
CLOMIPRAMINE HCL 15
CYMBALTA 161
DESIPRAMINE HCL 2
DOXEPIN HCL 72
EFFEXOR 5
EFFEXOR XR 507
FLUOXETINE HCL 2,372
FLUVOXAMINE MALEATE 142
IMIPRAMINE HCL 449
IMIPRAMINE PAMOATE 12
LEXAPRO 1,925
MIRTAZAPINE 732
NORTRIPTYLINE HCL 33
PAROXETINE HCL 267
PAXIL CR 66
PEXEVA 9
PROZAC 5
SERTRALINE HCL 2,326
SYMBYAX 15
TOFRANIL-PM 12
TRAZODONE HCL 3,286
VENLAFAXINE HCL 31
WELLBUTRIN XL 674
ZOLOFT 453
15,336
Antipsychotic Custody
ABILIFY 4,857
CHLORPROMAZINE HCL 77
CLOZAPINE 48
FAZACLO 68
GEODON 831
HALOPERIDOL 44
HALOPERIDOL DECANOATE 9
HALOPERIDOL LACTATE 70
INVEGA 38
LOXAPINE 13
ORAP 18
RISPERDAL 5,612
RISPERDAL CONSTA 15
RISPERDAL M-TAB 14
SEROQUEL 4,048
THIORIDAZINE HCL 14
TRIFLUOPERAZINE HCL 1
ZYPREXA 766
ZYPREXA ZYDIS 25
16,568
ADHD Custody
ADDERALL 2
ADDERALL XR 4,385
AMANTADINE HCL 4
AMPHETAMINE SALT COMBO 2,160
CAFCIT 3
CAFFEINE CITRATE 10
CAMPRAL 12
CONCERTA 3,639
DAYTRANA 181
DEXTROAMPHETAMINE SULFATE 277
DEXTROSTAT 2
FOCALIN 232
FOCALIN XR 1,494
METADATE CD 293
METADATE ER 26
METHYLIN 782
METHYLIN ER 159
METHYLPHENIDATE ER 74
METHYLPHENIDATE HCL 5
METHYLPHENIDATE HCL 1,068
NAMENDA 22
PROVIGIL 143
RITALIN LA 350
STRATTERA 2,102
17,425
AntiAnxiety Custody
ALPRAZOLAM 75
AMBIEN 71
AMBIEN CR 1
BUSPIRONE HCL 443
CHLORAL HYDRATE 68
CHLORDIAZEPOXIDE HCL 1
CLORAZEPATE DIPOTASSIUM 37
DIASTAT 5
DIASTAT ACUDIAL 46
DIAZEPAM 91
HYDROXYZINE HCL 1,054
HYDROXYZINE PAMOATE 732
LORAZEPAM 138
LUNESTA 33
MIDAZOLAM HCL 33
OXAZEPAM 4
PHENOBARBITAL 453
RESTORIL 9
ROZEREM 40
SOMNOTE 2
SONATA 17
TEMAZEPAM 35
TRIAZOLAM 7
VISTARIL 69
ZOLPIDEM TARTRATE 16
3,480
May 4, 2008
Coming up Monday night at 9, is the state drugging foster kids? An investigation you'll see only on Fox.
May 4, 2008
Car Seat ID
To reach Vicki Mosley you can email her at mosleytvt@yahoo.com
She is looking for corporate sponsors to help support her car seat ID's, financially.
The W.H.A.L.E (We Have A Little Emergency) kits provide emergency health information for your child when you can’t. Designed to aid rescue personnel in the event of an automobile accident that incapacitates the adult driver and passengers, the kit includes an emergency label for the back of a car seat, and W.H.A.L.E. stickers for the rear windows of your car.
The stickers alert rescue workers to the availability of additional information, and the label lists:
1. The child's name and address
2. Contact information for the next of kin
3. Any important medical data
The label is placed on the back of the child car safety seat.
In the event of an automobile accident that incapacitates the adult driver and passengers, the time it takes rescue personnel to discover important health information for your child can mean the difference between life and death. Why leave it to chance when there is such an easy method to protect your child?
Each W.H.A.L.E pack includes:
1. One W.H.A.L.E Program Brochure with instructions for parents or guardians
2. One Car Seat Informational Label
3. Two Car Seat W.H.A.L.E Stickers
4. Two Vehicle Window Stickers
April 28, 2008
Tune in tonight at nine to watch my exclusive interview with Curtis McCarty. McCarty spent 20 years in prison, only to be exonerated after forensic chemist Joyce Gilchrist's lies were exposed. In his first television interview since his release, hear what McCarty has to say to Gilchrist and the judge who set him free.
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
The confession is online. To watch the confession go to the "Video" portion of our website, then click on "Raw News". You can read along, below:
Underwood Confession
**ADULT CONTENT**VERY GRAPHIC**
04/14/2007
Agent: Hey Kevin. How’s it going buddy? They treating you alright? Have a seat.
Agent: Hey Kevin.
Underwood: I just got done throwing up…
Agent: Alright, water or something to drink, or
Underwood: I had one, they just, uh took it from me dude when I got up, and…
Agent: Would you like us to see about getting you some water…
Underwood: Nah, I think…
Agent: Well at any time during uh, this, and you need something, you let us know and we will make sure that whatever you need to drink, or we’ll provide that for you, you understand that?
Underwood: Okay, yeah, I, I haven’t had anything to eat still, but…
Agent: Would you like something to eat?
Underwood: Nah, I don’t, especially now, I don’t think I can handle that. I mean they’ve offered plenty of it, I turned it down, but…
Agent: So they’ve been pretty nice to ya?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Good
Agent: Kevin, do you know where you are?
Underwood: Yeah, I’m, I’m in…
Agent: Police department?
Underwood: Purcell, yeah, Purcell Police Department, yeah.
Agent: The reason basically, we want to be sure you know what your doing.
Underwood: Emm…hmm
Agent: You know that by talking to us, we want to be sure that you’ve been treated right and since we have not seen you for the last few hours, we wanna make sure everybody’s treated you good and…
Underwood: Emm.
Agent: And treated you right.
Underwood: Yeah, they’ve off, yeah the, almost annoying how many times they keep asking if I’m okay, and if I need anything to drink or eat, but…
Agent: Okay
Agent: Okay, well.
Underwood: I just started feeling sick about the last half hour or so…
Agent: Just nausea…
Underwood: Yeah, just kinda getting to me and…
Agent: Are you drunk?
Underwood: I have some like some acid reflux and stuff from the, you know nervousness and everything.
Agent: But you feel okay about talking to us?
Underwood: Yeah, Okay.
Agent: Now you remember Craig Overby? (Special Agent)
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And I’m Marin Maag, (Special Agent) and you recognize us as the two FBI agents…
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: That been…
Underwood: Right.
Agent: With you earlier?
Underwood: I asked for you.
Agent: Okay, great. For the record um…um, we wanna just, to make sure you understand your rights, we’re going to have to read this to us, and us, can you read and write?
Underwood: Yeah…
Agent: Okay, I mean just for the record.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: And that’s why we want to be sure that you understand these.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: And so I’ll begin with this. This form is um, one that’s been produced for the Purcell Police Department, so you’ll see your name at the top.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: And it says warning of rights:
Underwood: You must understand your rights before we ask you any questions. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court or other proceedings. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we question you, and to have him with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, a lawyer will be funded for you. If you decided to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you will still have the right to stop the questioning anytime. You’ll, you also have the right to stop the questioning anytime until you talk to a lawyer. I have read this statement of my rights, and it has been read to me, and I understand what my rights are.
Agent: Is there any part of that, that you wanna go over or is there anything that’s not clear to you?
Underwood: I think it’s alright.
Agent: Okay, and do you have today’s date….
Underwood: I’m tired right now, I’m….uh fourteenth.
Agent: Yeah it’s still the fourteenth.
Agent: It hadn’t changed to mid, midnight hasn’t changed over yet, so…
Agent: And it’s 10:14 p.m.
Underwood: 10:14. Ok
Agent: Just sign your name right there.
Underwood: And I’m used to being asleep by 8:30.
Agent: And you get up at what, two in the morning to go to work?
Underwood: Three in the morning
Agent: Let’s also read this, where it says waiver of rights, if you would read this, uh, Kevin, for me?
Underwood: I hereby voluntarily and intentionally waive my rights, and I am wiling to make a statement and answer questions. I do not want a lawyer. I understand and know what I’m doing. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.
Agent: We wanna make sure that’s true, because we haven’t been with you for the last…
Underwood: Yeah…
Agent: Few hours, is that true?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Okay
Agent; And once again, put the same date…I’m sorry I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
Underwood: Yeah, I was just gonna say there wasn’t any pressure or coercion, but, this is one of ‘em was like, um, it’d probably a lot better off for you if you, just cooperated with us and talked right now, and…
Agent: Do you remember who it was that said that to you?
Underwood: I’m not good with names.
Agent: Okay was he a, you know who he was with? Was he one of, was he FBI or was he…
Underwood: I think he was FBI
Agent: Okay, And now it’s 10:15, approximately a minute right here.
Agent: And this is the certification, and we just gotta all read along with you. You go ahead and read aloud.
Underwood: I hereby certify that foregoing warning and waiver of rights were read by me to the above signatory, and that he also read it and has affixed his signatures hereto in my presence.
Agent: Okay and you’re…
Agent: You want me to sign. I’ll sign as a witness.
Agent: And he signs aon the signature on that. Down here Craig.
Agent: Yeah I guess that’s where you would sign.
Agent: We have one with all our signatures on it. We all are in agreement as to this conversation and then...Okay Kevin, we’re gonna go over a couple rules about how we’ll do the interview, and uh, just for the record, we uh, we’ll asked you to state your full name, your date of birth, your social security number, your current address and your…and then after you do that for the record, we’re gonna have you, uh ask you about un, maybe getting a consent to search. But go ahead for the record, and tell us your full name.
Underwood: Kevin Ray Underwood.
Agent: Would you spell the last name?
Underwood: U-N-D-E-R-W-O-O-D.
Agent: And what is your date of birth, Kevin?
Underwood: 12-19-79
Agent: 12-19-79?
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: And your social security number?
Underwood: ###-##-####
Agent: ###
Underwood: ##
Agent: ####
Underwood: ##
Agent: #
Underwood: ##
Agent: #...Okay. What is your current address?
Underwood: 1000 N. 8th Apartment 115, Purceell Oklahoma, 73080
Agent: And do you have a home telephone number?
Underwood: ###-###-####
Agent: Okay
Agent: You work at the, what’s it the, was it a grocery store that you work for?
Underwood: Uh, well, you know technically you work for the grocery store that I work at Grider’s Food Cost Less, at uh…
Agent: What do you do there?
Underwood: Grocery store.
Agent: It’s a grocery store, and what…
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: What’s your job there?
Underwood: Supermarket. I work for the un distribution company that uh, supplies the uh, Mexican import goods.
Agent: Emm hmm.
Underwood: And I just work in there and uh, you know stock the shelves for that stuff.
Agent: Okay, do you, is your job, mainly a, a manual labor job…or do you do any kind of paperwork?
Underwood: No it’s all about manual labor.
Agent: Okay, how long have you worked there?
Underwood: I can’t remember exactly for sure but I think that it’s been somethin’ like eleven months, maybe a year.
Agent: Okay…and your dad helped you get that job cause he?...
Underwood: Pretty much year, he was uh, he, you know, he, he orders a few things for his, he works back in the meat market. He doesn’t work for the same company I do, he works for the store. He’s a manager in the meat market and uh, he orders some…form uh, my employer, and so he, you know he had heard that the guy was looking for some help and he suggested me.
Agent: Okay. I’ll tell ya, some….somethin’ that surprised me when um, uh, we were talkin’, and I’m just going to interrupt for a second…
Agent: Sure
Agent: You seem like a very intelligent person, just from the moment I started talking to you…and when you said, yeah, I’ve been to college for a couple of years in the Arts and Sciences, that didn’t surprise me, I said, cause this, strikes me as a guy who’s got a college degree, just in your demeanor and the way you talk, you have such, good language skills, maybe even (chuckling) better than mine. (Chuckles) I sound a little country, I guess.
Agent: Yeah, you’re very articulate…
Underwood: I always…
Agent: In other words, we didn’t have any problem understanding you…
Underwood: And I always feel like I have such a horrible accent. I didn’t used to have much of an accent at all, but it seems like just over the last two or three years my, you kno, vocal skills have gone downhill.
Agent: But you don’t…you don’t sound that way to me at all. Like I said…
Underwoo: No
Agent: You sound very smart.
Underwood: My, my uh, vocabulary is not what it once was.
Agent: Okay, as, as part, and and, and I’m, I’m sure you’ve you watch TV, but as part of the investigation, they’re gonna wanna search your, your apartment.
Underwood: Yeah, I already signed the thing earlier saying they could.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: Hours ago.
Agent: Here..you know, and…
Agent: Do you…
Agent: Here’s the situation, Kevin um, we wanna go ahead and get another one for the record to have it in line with also this waiver of rights so that we can just go through this and make sure your clear this is the direction you wanna go.
Underwood: Yeah, Okay.
Agent: Okay, and I understand about the other, but this is just in furtherance of us following all the, rules and regulations…
Underwood: Yeah, I understand…
Agent: And just doing this properly, so that you know what you’re doing and we know that we’re doing. What we’d like to do, and and I wanted to go back, when you mentioned your address, you gave your address, and uh, I understood that, um, would you go head and put down, let’s read it together first, and it’ll say I…
Underwood: I, Kevin Underwood…
Agent: Why don’t you go ahead and put, well read it first and then we’l, we’ll have you right your name in there.
Underwood: Hereby, grand my concent to Craig Overby and uh Marint Maag, uh officers of Purcell Police Department…
Agent: Uh lets, we’ll scratch that out…
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: And put uh, we’re gonna make it uh, and, and for the record, we’re gonna scratch that out and put, uh, and eh, Special Agents. I’ll have you initial this…of the FBI…does that make sense to you?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And, or, other law, enforcement…officers, including, the OSBI, okay? So this, just to keep this in perspective, this could be any uh, law enforcement officer in the state of Oklahoma.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: Is that clear to ya, do you have any questions about the people, uh what Agency they could be with. It could be the OSBI, the Purcell Police Department, it could be the FBI, it could be the…
Underwood: What exactly is the OSBI?
Agent: Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.
Underwood: Yeah, I uh…
Agent: Like a state’s bureau, except we’re the Federal…
Underwood: Yeah, Okay
Agent: Okay. Basically uh, they could have uh, criminal jurisdiction in the state.
Underwood: Oh yeah, I guess, I don’t see why it wouldn’t matter who.
Agent: Well..
Underwood: Okay
Agent: Now, your car…can you describe the car?
Underwood: Uh it’s uh, a, a silver, grayish silver, uh, ’98 Buik LeSabre.
Agent: Okay
Agent: You have a license plate number memorized?
Underwood: No
Agent: I think would you recognize it as MPP 116?
Underwood: I think that’s it.
Agent: Just not one hundred percent sure?
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: I’ve got…I couldn’t tell ya what my license plate number is?
Agent: You know what year it is?
Underwood: The car, or yeah, a 1998.
Agent: And where is it parked currently?
Underwood: Uh, right outside my apartment pretty much, uh, uh, it’s pretty much right outside my bedroom window, kinda, right there in the parking lot.
Agent: Is there anyway that we can identify this vehicle other than the tag number? Is there something in it that you could specifically say it’s this Buick LeSabre?
Underwood: The car has bumper stickers on the back.
Agent: What are those bumper stickers.
Underwood: Uh one of ‘em says uh, anybody but Bush, and uh, other one, says uh, U.S. Government philosophy, if it ain’t broke, fix it till it is.
Agent: And we have our, oh we have our moments. Okay, so you’re uh, re…reiterate this with you. You have a Buick LeSabre, 1998, it’s silver.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: It’s uh, got two stickers on it, that which identified, and the vehicle tag may be MPP 156.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Okay, and then your, your, gimme your apartment again.
Underwood: 115
Agent: Your address
Underwood: 1000 North 8th.
Agent: I’m gonna interrupt, I’m gonna ask him something.
Agent: Yeah
Agent: While you’re…about the bust? Where, where’s the bicycle?
Underwood: You don’t have to…it?
Agent: No
Underwood: Uh, I, I took it apart, but I mean it’s uh, most of it’s just right under the bed.
Agent: Oh, okay…you…
Underwood: The…
Agent: You took it apart and put it under the bed?
Underwood: Oh, the, the, my mainframe and the back wheel are under the bed and the rest of its in, there’s like a big duffel bag in the closet with the air conditioner.
Agent: Uh huh…
Underwood: And that’s wehre all the pieces are.
Agent: Oh, Okay.
Underwood: So…
Agent: See we, I don’t know if they’d been in there yet, so I … I don’t know…
Underwood: Taking it apart so I could you know, transport it out.
Agent: I see.
Agent: So it’s 1000 North 8th, Purcell, Oklahoma?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: I was guessing the trunk of your car.
Underwood: No there’s, nothing in the car…
Agent: Okay.
Agent: What’s the apartment number?
Underwood: 115
Agent: 115 and it’s downstairs?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And uh, I’m having a hard time seeing in this light. Tell me the zip again.
Underwood: 73080.
Agent: Okay, and we will not be searching any places of business, so I will just draw a line through there, okay.
Agent: Let me ask you this, is there anything relevant at where you work, like alocker or anything?
Underwood: No.
Agent: That would be relevant to this. Okay.
Agent: And Kevin, if you would, just uh, print your name up here.
Underwood: Credit?
Agent: Uh huh.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: And if you would initial each on of these paragraphs that we’ve gon over, again, um that your authorizing law enforcement officers including OSBI, FBI and other local or state agencies to conduct a search of your vehicle, parked at the apartment…
Underwood: Emm
Agent: And your apartment identified here.
Underwood: I think you put the full name, middle name too?
Agent: Yes, if you don’t mind.
Underwood: Okay, so just initial up here somewhere?
Agent: Emm…yeah…the car, initial the part by the car, where we made those changes to include the FBI and the OSBI people and whomever….Would be associated as assistants with those agencies, uh, and then the house part, the apartment 115, just initial that. And when this is not an issue here, and then sign your name here and….
Underwood: Okay, 10:26
Agent: Yes sir..
Underwood: Uh, I wrote those on the wrong lines.
Agent: That’s Okay, tha’s okay, it’s the…information that’s correct.
Underwood: Okay.
Agent: And Craig and I will sign this.
Agent: When you were in school, you were an English major?
Underwood: I uh, never declared a major, it’s…
Agent: Is that where you were leaning?
Underwood: Well I was probably intending on being, yes.
Agent: Did you say you, I noticed that you liked Hunter Thompson, and do you see yourself as like a writer?
Underwood: I, always, wanted to be but I just, didn’t really have the skill, I mean I hadn’t wrote anything in years.
Agent: Are you a, were you ever a, a journalist, you know where you would write journals, and…
Underwood: No.
Agent: Were you that type of guy that would write a lot of journals?
Underwood: No, well I do have uh, you know a blog, like online…
Agent: Oh, Okay.
Underwood: A journal thing I write in, I haven’t even wrote in it hardly in a couple months.
Agent: What when you were writing your blog, uh what would you write? What kind of, what would you…
Underwood: Mainly just…
Agent: Talk about?
Underwood: Mainly just, I mean like what happened to me during the day, and you know…
Agent: Like an online diary
Underwood: Yeah, pretty much.
Agetn: Okay. Um, we’ll kind of go back. We…we’ve had a, the day just kind of went wham, wham, wham, wham, you know, just took everybody, kind of by surprise, I think. Um…
Agent: Yeah, we, we were definitely surprised, we, we shocked, about our discovery with you, and it, it was a complete surprise to both of us.
Agent: But we think you, I think at some point you realized you had to do the right thing and tell, tell what happened.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And uh, why don’t you go right back from the very start. When did, when did this kind of thought first occur to you, to maybe do something like this?
Underwood: Uh…
Agent: How long has this been with you?
Underwood: A couple months probably, uh, you know I was telling one of the guys earlier, that um, you know I don’t know if it has anything to do with the medication or what, but, because it started about the same time I went back on it.
Agent: Now the first time you were on it, did you have that problem?
Underwood: No, I um, the first time I took the medication a year or two go, eh uh, seemed fine, but uh, then about a month and a half ago, I got back on it again, and, you know ever since I started taking it again, I’ve just been like eating constantly, just from the minute I get home to the minute I go to sleep nearly, I eat. I’ve gained probably twenty, thirty pound in the last month, and about the same time I just, seemed like having all these, you know weird fantasies about everything.
Agent: When exactly is the first time in your life, uh and, and we understand this…
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: I mean, this, what, what you’ve experienced is nothing unusual. There are some people that fantasize, you know, about different things, that for instance one guy might fantasize being with three different women, and that, that’s kind of thing what turns him on.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And some people, their fantasies may go a little more violent. You know some people, they might fantasize about handcuffing somebody and having sex. And, it, it may progress a little big, but when do you think you started having, you know, fantasies of this nature. Was it as a teenager, eh did you have…
Underwood: no it was only recently.
Agent: Can you describe what your fantasy is for us, for the record?
Underwood: Uh it started off as uh, cannibalism, uh you know it was the uh, you know I wanted to know what it tasted like, and just the thought of uh, eating, you know someone, and it was appealing to me. But then uh, you know it kept kind of evolving from then, ‘cause uh, I am, you know sexually frustrated, I haven’t has sex in four years, uh…
Agent: Was it with um, when you went out to San Francisco, did you?
Underwood: No it was uh, it was uh, well I went out to uh, I went out to Nevada to stay with that guy and his uh, wife a couple of time…
Agent: Can you say their names, cause I, I forgot
Underwood: ((Unintelligible))
Agent: Tell us…you tell us he…
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: …had you down in the Navy, but that’s all…
Underwood: Uh, uh, his name was ##### Lansdale
Agent: Okay
Underwood: And uh…
Agent: L-A-N-S-D-A-L-E
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: #### Lansdale?
Agent; He’s in the navy.
Underwood: Yeah, Okay.
Agent: And you said he was stationed in Nevada?
Underwood: Yeah, at the time…
Agent: Do you know what base it is?
Underwood: Uh Fowlman, was the name of the town. Ah, it was a Naval Air Station.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: Okay, and um, now he’s stationed down in Fort Worth somewhere, I don’t know the name of the station though…
Agent: Oh he’s down at Fort Worth Naval Air Station?
Underwood: Yeah, yeah…
Agent: I’ve…I’ve been by there…
Underwood: But um, anyway, uh, eh, uh, and like the second time I went out there, uh, I went out there, uh you know like me, you know like I’m his best friend and then this girl who was like uh, there’s this other girl, ### Bray, she was like his wife’s best friend, and we, you know we both took the bus out there together to go stay with him for a couple weeks, and uh, we ended up at you know like when we came back to Oklahoma and going out a few times, it was, uh, we went out like four or five times and, had sex a couple of times, and then she just like stop returning my phone calls, and uh…That, that was the first and last time I’ve ever had sex.
Agent: Well what was it like her, can you describe it?
Underwood: Uh well I, you know I’m very shy and it was pretty awkward for me, I mean she, I…I couldn’t take the hit, she was like, she didn’t even really wanna go on a date, it was, it turned out that’s the reason she probably stopped, taking my calls. She didn’t want a boyfriend, she just wanted someone to have sex with like once a week or two.
Agent: Emm hmm.
Underwood: And uh, I, you know I, kinda wanted a girlfriend and I guess she wasn’t okay with that, and so, stopped tlaing to me.
Agent: Okay
Underwood: (Sigh)
Agent: Now, have…have you ever read about Jeremy Daumer?
Underwood: Uh…
Agent: Jeffrey Daumer.
Agent: Jeffrey Daumer, that’s it.
Underwood: Uhh,
Agent: Did you ever read up on the internet, because…
Underwood: I never really…
Agent: Described kind of…
Underwood: Yeah, I never really studied any of ‘em in depth. I have a, from my DVD, when I can deliver ‘em you’ll see there’s a uh, like a two disc DVD set of, lit’s like four episodes of some A & E special, uh, ones like over uh, Manson, and I can’t even remember who they are, there’s like three of ‘em, three different killers and then the fourth ones like, you know, just the kind of the, the investigating methods the used to find ‘em. You know that wasn’t, I mean that wasn’t, at the time, you know it wasn’t like, oh I wanna do this you know, it was just…
Agent: Emm hmm.
Underwood: It was like these, these are kind of interesting, so…
Agent: Did, did that pl, as you you were, were plannin’ this you, did your knowledge of investigations that you…question…did that play into any of this, did you think about, well I, this is what I need to do, because you know, we all have experiences watching TV…
Underwood: No…I’m feeling sick…uh…stuff very slightly…I didn’t’ know much, I don’t watch a lot of TV. I don’t watch a lot of TV, but I, you know thought about…(hiccup)…try to imagine like steps I could take, and…(hiccup).
Agent: Give yourself a second.
Underwood: Okay
Agent: You okay there Kevin.
Underwood: Okay. Let’s see if I can…
((Banging Noise))
Agent: We’re gonna uh, take a break here in the interview…not that it is now
Agent: Hello.
Agent: Uh…
Agent: Get you a cup of water..
Agent; What time you got Craig?...on your watch?
Agent: 10:34
Agent: It’s now 10:34…bottle of water…Thank you. And we’re gonna ask for a bottle of water
((Coughing))
((Pause))
Underwood: ((Sigh))
Agent: You feel, uh…resuming?
Underwood: Yes…
Agent: …alright, we’ll get you some…
Underwood: Yes…I’m good now (clears throat)
Agent: We’ll get you some water before we get started again.
Underwood: I guess I’m just not used to talkin’ this much.
Agent: Yeah.
Underwood: It keeps dryin’ my mouth out, usually pretty quiet, I don’t leave the house much.
Agent: Thank you.
Underwood: Talk to anyone. I hate talkin’
((Door opened/closed))
Underwood: On the telephone.
((Door opened/closed))
Agetn: Is it, I’ll tell ya a…a think about my personality is, I’m the kind of guy, and I think you’re the same way, but like in my office, I have things in a certain way, I mean I put things in a certain place, are…are you a planner? Are you a guy that likes to plan?
Underwood: Not really, no.
Agent: Okay
Underwood: I certainly planned this out, I mean I’d been thinkin’ about it for at least a month, so about a month.
Agent: Now was it specifically the girl…
Underwood: ((Clears throat))
Agent: In question, or was it…
Underwood: No, I…I told the guy earlier, coulda really been anyone, I mean, age and, eh…it was even, you know it wasn’t necessarily a, you know pedophile thing either, I mean age, and even gender didn’t even really matter to me. I just uh, at first I just wanted to, basically to eat someone, and then it turned into while I’m at it, I’m gonna, you know, uh, you know get off, you know uh…
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: Have sex with her…
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: You know?
Agent: Were the, were you gonna have sex before or after, or both?
Underwood: Uh, well my, my plan, my original plan oh, the way I had envisioned it all going was, I was gonna, just uh like grab ‘em and…
Agent: Just any person?
Underwood: Yeah, and…well I did kinda favor this girl a little, I had seen here and, I was like, you know, I was kinda like well I’d really like her, but then as I saw her more and more, I’d, you know I’d think, it’s, no I can’t hurt her, you know she’s nice and , I know her too well, and…
Agent: What’s her name for the record?
Underwood: I didn’t even know it until this afternoon. It’s Jaime Bolin or somethin’ like that.
Agent: How did you learn of her name?
Underwood: Newspaper.
Agent: Newspaper…
Underwood: I didn’t even know here name until today.
Agent: Is the account in the newspaper’s description of Jaime Bolin, the same girl that we’re talking about for the purposes of this interview…
Underwood: Seems like it, I…er, I, I had no idea she was ten, I cou..I would a sworn she was probably twelve or thirteen, but I…
Agent: Could you, just for the record, describe it for her, before you continue on?
Underwood: Describe her?
Agent: Yeah, her physical appearance, yeah?
Underwood: She was uh, you know had thin red hair, had glasses. She was a, little chubby.
Agent: And where did she live?
Underwood: Uh, upstairs and acrossed.
Agent: Do you know the apartment number?
Underwood: I was 115, so, I think it’d be two, I think like 213.
Agent: But it was up and across from you?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent; Okay.
Underwood: Upstairs and across the hall
Agent: I just wanna make sure I was clear on that, who it wsa and you can go ahead with Mr. Overby’s question.
Agent: Um, I don’t, if you remember, when we first talked, we mentioned or you said you know I, I could never hurt her because she reminds me of my sister.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Was that, why did you say that? Was that true or were you, at the time trying to throw us off? Or…
Underwood: That was uh, yeah more or less something I thought after I already did it.
Agent: Okay. You thought that you could tell us later after your arrest, he I could never do this because she kinda looks like my sister, anyway.
Underwood: Kinda yeah.
Agent: Did that play any part…
Underwood: No…
Agent: Whatsoever…
Underwood: No.
Agent: Have you got rage toward your sister?
Underwood: No.
Agent: Or anything toward your sister…
Underwood: None, not at all. I, you know I mean this is, I said um, you know I’d hate my parents finding out about this and I especially hate, hate her finding out about this.
Agent: You love your family?
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: Okay…um…
Underwood: I’ve always been a Mam’s boy too…so…
Agent: Oh…
Underwood: Really…
Agent: Nothing wrong with that.
Underwood: Really, hating it. Cause this, this will probably litterlaly kill her because she wasn’t in the best of health anyway.
Agent: Yeah, now, um, tell us, is…is, within the last month, you start to thinking about this…tell us the plan that you came up with in your head.
Underwood: Uh, well like I said yeah, I was just gonna grab whoever and I had some handcuffs and some duct tape…I was gonna handcuff ‘em and put the duct tape over their mouth, so they could, couldn’t scream.
Agent: Where’s the handcuffs now?
Underwood: Um…where did I put it? Uh, they’re in, you know I have a bag in the closet, that has a bunch of like porn and sex toys and stuff in it…
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: And they’re in there.
Agent: Which closet is it, is it the one…
Underwood: The one out…yeah…
Agent: with the…in…
Underwood: The one the body was in.
Agent: Where the…
Underwood: The big walk-in closet. (Clears Throat)
Agent: How long have you had that bag with the porn and the handcuffs and all that stuff?
Underwood: Well some of the stuff I’ve had for years.
Agent: Okay
Underwood: Uh, yeah I don’t think anything in it is a recent addiction.
Agent: What kind of, and tell us what’s in that bag.
Underwood: Uh, well there’s uh, there’s a like a you know fake vagina, and then, like I, like I said gender didn’t even really matter, I have also, all, never done anything, I’ve, I’ve always been, you know bi-curious, I’ve got like, like a vibrator and a couple of dildos, and uh, what uh, and then there’s a, some novelty things like that handcuffs and a blindfold, and…
Agent: Okay.
Agent: Are they real functional…
Underwood: …Some…
Agent: Handcuffs that would restrain somebody?
Underwood: They’ve got little releases on them, people can figure it out um, if they really try and…
Agent: Okay, it’s more, it’s, it’s designed for…
Underwood: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got ‘em at a sex, at the Christie’s Toy Box, at a sex store.
Agent: Okay. Had you always been interested in what um, I guess, you know S and M games?
Underwood: Not, not at all no.
Overby: Alright
Underwood: Uh, en, en, bot, into neither bondage, or S and M, I just, mainly got the handcuffs here about a year or so ago because there was a girl I like who was kind of into handcuffs, and, and I like if, you know, I never end up, you know, getting involved with her, you know…
Agent: That’s something that you thought maybe, you, you guys talked you knew she liked that, and…
Underwood: Yeah..
Agent: Was an internet deal at first?
Underwood: no, it was uh, well who was it that liked them, was it…was it the internet woman or was it…I think it might have been the girl I work with, uh, I eh, my previous job before this one, I worked down at Carl’s Junior down there for nine years and there was a…
Agent: In Purcell?
Underwood: Yeah
Agent: Oh, okay.
Underwood: And there as a girl uh there I worked with for several years and we were pretty good friends, uh, it’s still, we’re still in contract online, but rarely…
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: You know I, I talk to her a few days ago, and that was the first time I talked to her for about a month. And I think it was her that, I, I, I had a crush on her for like two or three years, and I think it was her that liked ‘em, but…
Agent: I’m gonna get, what’d you do at the Carl’s Junior for nine years?
Underwood: Cashier, uh you know they offered me management long time ago, but I just didn’t want it, didn’t want the responsibility for basically no extra money (chuckles).
Agent: ((Chuckles))
Underwood: So I was, I was mainly uh, cashier, usually In the drive through.
Agent: Why’d you leave Carl’s Junior.
Underwood: Cause it was low pay, and I’d been there for nine years…
Agent: ((Chuckles))
Underwood: And was sick of it, and I got to, you know, my dad found me this better job, so..
Agent: Better pay?
Underwood: Yeah, yeah.
Agent; Okay, no, going back to um, the plan, do you…
Underwood: Yeah, so…
Agent: You had the handcuffs and the duct tape?
Underwood: Yeah, so what I was gonna do is I was going to uh, you kno I said, yank ‘em in there, restrain ‘em, and, if it, if it was a kid, I was going to just make them sit there and watch some porn, first, and then I was going to have sex with them, and then…
Agent: Were you gonna try and make it…turn ‘em on at that point and make it voluntary?
Underwood: I was, you know, kind of hoping that would happen, but I, you know figured it probably wouldn’t.
Agent: So you’re saying that you have to do it by force.
Underwood: Yeah, mo…most likely.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: And then, you know, the uh, after the sex, it would turn kind of violent, I’d start uh, kinda torturing ‘em a little and stuff like that, uh.
Agent: How would you torture ‘em?
Underwood: Uh…
Agent: In your fantasies what would you do?
Underwood: Sticking large objects in their anus, uh, causing them pain that way. I had some uh, blown barbes…barbeque skewers, I was gonna poke through their cheeks. I’ve got a uh, in that bag of porn, there’s also a Barbie doll head I found on the ground a while back that I struck some needles in, kind of illustrates what…was in my fantasy.
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: It has like some needles in its cheeks and some nails in its eyes, but I wasn’t intending on doing that because I…the, the, the uh, torture was kind of a late addition because at first I wanted the body to be pretty much unharmed.
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: Uh, ‘cause what I was gonna do after that then was, I was going to uh, while they were still alive and gagged, I was going to uh, drape ‘em over the bathtub and cut off their head, and uh, then hang ‘em and let the body all drain out, to good and drained out, and I was gonna keep the body around for a couple of days, I was gonna set the head on my desk so it could like watch me…
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: And, you know keep the corpse in my bed, sleeping with it, having sex with it for a day or two, and then I was gonna start butchering them and cooking them, and so…
Agent: Okay. Did you buy any pots or special things for that?
Underwood: Just the barbeque skew…, skewers and some meat tenderizer, powder, and uh, a hacksaw to cut open the head to get to the brain, because I wanted to eat the brain and the heart and some of the organs, uh…
Agent: It, it’s been my experience that a lot of people, who like to or think about those kinda things maybe experiment with animals. Have you ever experimented with animals?
Underwood: No, uh, I told the guy earlier, in fact, you know this, like I said, this is just entirely against my nature, if, if, you know I told him I’m not really religious, but what beliefs I do have, would be uh, pretty much, best described as Buddist. Uh, I hated, I, I, I didn’t even like steppin’ on bugs…
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: You know I didn’t, believe in violence, or hurting anything.
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: Until this happened
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: So…
Agent: Now after, after you, chopped the head off and maybe cooked ‘em…what would you, can you continue from there.
Underwood: Uh, well uh then it went into, you know, disposing of the body. I was probably going to keep the skull.
Agent: Okay,
Underwood: Uh, but then, well you know I was going to pretty much eat everything, except for the some of the organs, and those I figured I could you know put it in a trash bag and probably throw away without too much, uh chance of getting caught. Uh…and uh, so um, basically all that’d be left was bones, and I was going to uh, try to, you know break the bones up into little pieces so they wouldn’t be as visible, and you know dump ‘em in a ditch somewhere.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: Or if, you know, then, then, well that, that was my original plan. That’s what I wanted to do, but you know…
Agent: Now did you ever write any of this down?
Underwood: No.
Agent: On your computer?
Underwood: Nah.
Agent: Because you know they’re gonna go through your computer really good?
Underwood: Yeah, I know, yeah. I…I already deleted, like as soon as uh, I never had anything wrote down, but I already deleted uh, a lot of the porn and stuff off of my computer.
Agent: After this happened?
Underwood: Yeah as soon as like the cops, you know started sniffin’ around, like uh…
Agent: Asking…
Underwood: …Um, all, all the porn’s there, but I had a lot of uh, in the last couple of months, I had, I had been to a bunch, you know there’s a lot of websites out there where you can download like crime scene photos, like of dead bodies and stuff like that.
Agent: Right.
Underwood: And I had uh, a fairly large collection of those. I deleted like all of those.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: And uh, I…I never had any child pornography, but, and it might still be on there because I think I put it in a different directory than the rest of the porn, I had just a couple, like four or five pictures I downloaded from like a children’s swimwear catalog.
Agent: Emm hmm
Underwood: Of like ten-year-old girls in swimsuits, but that’s the closest I ever had to like any child pornography or anything.
Agent: Do you, do you, I’m sorry…do you got, do you have anything on your computer um, like, um…that your, you’re sure that you destroyed that stuff, or did, did you just go…
Underwood: Well…yeah it…
Agent: …Could still be burned on your hard drive.
Underwood: Yeah, they say none of that’s permanent, unless they…best programs now that you can make it permanent. But no, all I did was uh, you know dragged it to the trash bin and his, you know empty trash bin, so it can most likely be recovered, probably.
Agent: Okay, you didn’t go with, I…I forgot what it was called, it startes with an “N”, but there’s a, there’s a certain program that…
Underwood: Yeah…
Agent: If you use that, you can, you can really wipe stuff out…
Underwood: Yeah, I know…
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Agent: If you go through that trouble.
Underwood: There’s programs likd that all over, I see ‘em advertised and I don’t have any of those and…
Agent: Okay they’re going, they’re gone, think hard about this, they’re really gonna pull this stuff up. When did you think you first started downloading this kind of stuff, ‘cause they’re gonna know for a fact…
Underwood: Yeah…well, the cannibalism thing started, huh, probably a year or so ago.
Agent: OK
Underwood: Uh, might have been while I was on medication the first time but I, not sure, I don’t think so, but I tmight have been.
Agent: No Kein, for the record, you’re currently taking your medication is that correct?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Did you take it today?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: And you say it works for you?
Underwood: It certainly, it doesn’t really help with the anxiety, I’m still, well I’m still shy and I still can’t really talk to people, but I don’t have like the panic attacks and I don’t get depressed about, you know not…having a social life period.
Agent: Right you’re aware of you ractions and totally and understanding of what your’e doing?
Underwood: As far as I know, yeah.
Agent: Yeah. Okay. So Kevin.
Underwood: I’m pretty good in light of like, you know maybe like lowering my inhibitions a little or something like that, you know.
Agent: Maybe something… Do you know recognize that what you’re doing as being against the law?
Underwood: Yeah, yea, I know.
Agent: I mean is there any questions that you have about that?
Underwood: No, no, I know what I did was wrong and I know that I deserve to be punished for it, so..
Agent: So you, the deal with the cannibalism may have been a…
Underwood: You know, I mean it wasn’t it wasn’t something that I was, I mean you know I was kinda interested in, you know kinda curious as to what it would taste like and uh, you know I try to arouse me and I’d you know, kinda masturbated to some of the pictures ‘cause I mean there was this love site I found, and I don’t even remember what it is now, where you can download lots of you know like fake computer graphic images of like women on spits and stuff like that, you know cooking over a fire or whatever.
Agent: And you found it sexually arousing?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: Very. But it was the thought of, killing someone though at the same time it was, in my mind it was like why don’t we do it, you know if the woman you wanted to die and wanted me to eat her. You know I wouldn’t you know, if the woman you wanted to die and wanted me to eat her. You know I wouldn’t you know go out and kill somebody, you know murers’ wrong, I wouldn’t ever murder someone.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: That’s the way I thought at the time.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: But um, I’ve been in, surfing Internet porns for probably 12, 13 years, and you know there’s a lot of weird stuff on the Internet, and so as the years went by, you know I just kinda got uh, kinda desensitized to normal porn, you just have to keep going after like harder and harder core stuff. Until it, until it finally got to kinda this cannibalism point. And then just here recently after that, I started to you know kinda seriously think about it and you know develop an interest in these pictures of real death and cannibalism and gore and gruesome things.
Agent: Have you ever read psychology books or Internet sites and just out of curiosity in your reading about people with like interests or to likewise say, hey, you know to somebody like me, who would get sexual gratifications out of you know out of cannibalism or viewing women on spits or things like that.
Underwood: Well, now that that that site, yeah that I downloaded like all of the fake pictures from, it was it was a message board mostly, and pictured you know it was mostly text but people would uh, it was like here, you know here’s this picture I made with my computer and uh, it was you know, it was so was all people with the same interests and you know pretty much in probably 95 percent of them, uh from what they said on there anyway, were of the same mindset as me, you now I would never do this, but it’s fun to fantasize about it.
Agent: It’s a…it’s a fun fantasy.
Underwood: It’s an interesting fantasy that gets me off, but I would never kill anyone and give me the chance I would probably not ever actually eat someone. You now was most of their opinions.
Agent: So you would masturbate if you see like a to this fantasy of cannibalism like seeing a woman on a spit or something?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Like that?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Okay, when, now, what, today when did it first enter your mind that yes, I wanna do this today…Well, Wednesday. What day was that for the record?
Underwood: Wednesday.
Agent: Do you know what day of the April?
Underwood: This is the fourteenth so that’d been what, the 11th? Uh, Wednesday the 12th, yeah, I’m bad with dates.
Agent: yeah, you know well I didn’t understand. Wednesday the 12th
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Do you know for sure it was a Wednesday?
Underwood: Yeah. It’s definitely Wednesday ‘cause I’m off on Wednesday, and I was off work that day.
Agent: Did you plan it for your day off?
Underwood: It was, well, I had been planning it, like I said I, I’d been planning it for months, buying supplies and you know, and trying to get the exact plan down and what I’d do and how I’d dispose of it afterwards.
Agent: And the exact victim?
Underwood: Well, like I said, I kinda wanted her, but it didn’t really matter, I mean that’s, that’s to tell the truth, that’s the main reason I was hanging out in front of my apartment is to watch all the kid and to watch the people coming along, and it was, I, you know I had pretty much planned it all along to probably get a kid, just mainly because they’d be easier to grab and easier to get rid of afterwards, smaller, you know, put up less of a fight, but there was a few you know kinda girls my age, I’d be like, well you now she’s really attractive, I wouldn’t mind you know eating her and having sex with her and all that.
Agent: Do you find her attractive?
Underwood: Not really, no, she was kinda homely.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: But there was a part of me that, kinda found her attractive at the same time, not really.
Agent: What is it you mean by homely?
Underwood: She I don’t know she just had like, she was almost bald, she had like really thin hair, really thinning hair.
Agent: What color was it exactly?
Underwood: Light red…it’s almost blondish red, and you know she was a little chubby and you know just wasn’t my type basically.
Agent: And you said again, you thought how old was she?
Underwood: I would have sworn she was at least twelve maybe 13.
Agent: So you were, pretty confident you know she was a kid, I mean there wasn’t any question as to…
Underwood: Yeah, yeah. I mean some of the kids that I , when I was first thinking about it, you know I was like, looking at it, you know like 5 year old boys, running around out there playing all day. So I mean the age and gender didn’t really matter to me.
Agent: And when did you come up with Wednesday would be the day?
Underwood: Basically the instant it happened. I mean like I said, I did…there had been, there was plenty of times before that I could have grabbed her if I had wanted. Or grabbed some other kid, but especially her ‘cause I, like I say, she got to where she talked to me and she actually had been in my apartment a couple of times before that. She’d come down because like one time I was standing out there with my pet rat, holding it, and had it on my shoulder and she thought it was cute and she wanted to pet it. And then like later that evening, I was still had my front door open but I was like sittin’ on the couch watching tv, and she just kinda wandered into my apartment, and you know, said, can I pet your rat. So you know she seemed like a very trusting kid and…
Agent: How long ago was that?
Underwood: A week, maybe two. She was a very trusting kid that if it hadn’t been me, it coulda ended up being someone else, ‘cause, like I said she just kinda wandered in my apartment. I didn’t you know forcer her in there or even ask her in. And so she came in for a few minutes, and you know, looked at my rat, and fed it a food pellet and the Tuesday night before this happened, she came down. I guess her, they didn’t have a phone upstairs because I’d see her occasionally go to, there’s a payphone on the other side of the compound. She’d go down there and use that, and she was going down there to uh, you know her father sent her down there, sent her down there to uh, call Mazzio’s and order some pizza for her, and but I was standing there at my doorway and she was just like, well can I use your phone, and so I, let her use my phone. She stayed outside though, she was like I don’t wanna get in trouble for coming into your apartment, and so, she did step in for a minute but then like once I gave her to the phone she was lke well I better get outside. And so you now, I had plenty of chances to get her, but you know like I said, every time I’d be thinking you know, I’ve gotta do this. I wanna get her definitely but then I’d see her and you know be, oh, I’m gonna get her this time, and then be like, then I’d see her though and like no, I can’t hurt her, you know and all that. I mean that happened with pretty much ever kid, but I’d kind of wimp out at the last minute. But especially her, because I kind of liked her. Uh, but then you know this Wednesday she cam in, now she came home from school.
Agent: Let me ask you this real quick…going back to Tuesday night, and she came into your house and used the phone.
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: During the overnight hours when you were home and into the next day, did you engage in any fantasy on the Internet. I mean did that kind of turn you on at the thought of it, that yeah I could almost done it, but I and did you fantasize about it early that night, or did you go to the websites the night and then the morning till the next day?
Underwood: No, I hadn’t been to any of the websites, really recently, because I have just downloaded a bunch of the pictures on the hard drive. And looked ‘em so I hadn’t really been to any of the websites in most of them it’d been a week or more.
Agent: Were you looking at ‘em on your hard drive?
Underwood: Yeah, I had ‘em stored on my computer.
Agent: So on Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, were you looking at them on your hard drive?
Underwood: Probably not ‘cause, another thing that kept it from happening so long is, you know I’d be standing there in the doorway fantasizing about it you know preparing to grab the kid, and I’d get so turned on, I’d end up masturbating, and you know like as soon as I had an orgasm. I’d just be hit with disgust, I mean like, my god, what am I thinking about, you know it’s you can’t do that it’s horrible, and uh, so that’s usually what would happen.
Agent: Let me ask you this, when you masturbate, how would you clean it up? What would you do? Would you masturbate into a towel, or would you masturbate into a jug or…
Underwood: Well, usually Kleenex or onto the floor and then I’d clean it up with a wet rag. I usually use a wet rag and then I just, you know rinse the rag out and wash it when I did my laundry.
Agent: Okay, did you masturbate about it Tuesday night?
Underwood: Probably, I don’t…
Agent: After she left?
Underwood: Um yeah, I’m sure I probably did, well no, Tuesday night, because I think when she came down to use my phone I had already masturbated probably for the day and uh, I wasn’t even really, you know planning it anymore at the time, I was just kinda standing there for real, just kinda hanging out and getting some air, and she’s you know she’s like, can I use your phone?
Agent: What’d you do Tuesday night before you went to sleep?
Underwood: I don’t know if I remember that, probably just playing my game I usually play online.
Agent: How late did you stay up, you think, playing?
Underwood: I usually, I’m usually in bed by 8 or 8:30.
Agent: Because you get up so early?
Underwood: Yeah, because I get up at 3am
Agent: What’s the game?
Underwood: Oh, it’s an Internet game that you like play right there on the computer, you don’t download anything, you just go to the website and it’s you know, fully contained in the website, it’s called Kingdom of Loathing. It had nothing to do with this, I hate for it to even, it’s gonna end up getting bad publicity from this, but it was just, it was just a silly, little harmless game. It was what I spent the majority of my time doing. I mean, if I wasn’t at work, and I wanted, until I started hanging out, you know and doing all this. If I wasn’t at work, I was probably on there playing that game..
Agent: Okay. Just like it’s a hobby.
Underwood: Yeah, it was my main hobby.
Agent: Now how much sleep did you get Tuesday night, Wednesday until Wednesday morning, if you went to bed at 8 on Tuesday?
Underwood: Oh yea, I was off Wednesday so I started to say, I might have stayed up, well no, I’m pretty sure I went to bed about 8, Tuesday night and since I was off I slept until I think 7 Wednesday morning.
Agent: And go from there, what happened that morning.
Underwood: Well from 7 to 11, I played that game, and uh, and then you now, I took my shower and brushed my teeth and shaved and everything to get ready to uh, I went over to my parents house to uh, drop some laundry off.
Agent: What time was that?
Underwood: About 11:45, noon something like that, because my mom still does all of my laundry because you know I was you know I was gonna do it up there, they’ve got a Laundromat, but she’s like oh, you just leave it and I’ll do it for you, so I always I took my laundry there for her to do it while I went shopping, and so from about noon till probably 2 or 2:30 I was in, I don’t know why I even said that. I just went in here in town to the United Superthrift and just did my normal grocery shopping is all it was.
Agent: Did you buy anything?
Underwood: Actually, I can’t even, I barely remember what I did that day. I didn’t even go to United, I went to Superthrift and the Dollar Store, the new Dollar Store they just built, yeah, and I got, I got a few things at each place. You know, just like I said, just normal food, you know grocery stuff, some cereals and milks and bread. Then you know I went back after that, I went back to my parents place about uh, you know about uh, what time was that…so tired right now I’m having trouble remembering what I did, getting the time straight anyway, uh, actually yeah, it was about three o’clock when I went over to my parents place, it was huh, I got back home from shopping, about two o’clock. Then got online and talked to that girl in California, Melissa, for about 45 minutes or so until, you know about 2:45 or 2:50. I went back to my parents place to pick up my laundry and also they had said you know come back when my sister got out from school, she wanted to help with something on her homework or something like that. And I went over there, I was there from about you know, 2:50 to 3:30. And when I got back home about 3:30, I noticed that uh, the girl’s bike was gone, she’d gone somewhere on her bike, which kinda struck me as odd because most days it’d be closer to 3:45 4pm before she’d even show up coming home from school. Uh, she and she walked home from school, she walked home from school. I don’t know why she didn’t ride her bike, but, so I knew that meant she had come home and ‘cause I’d what I really wanted to do, I mean, you know I kinda planned it for that day, but I mean I’d been planning it for like every day for like a month pretty much. I’d planned, you know to get her as she you know walked in from school, before she had a chance to even go upstairs and you know so it would like she never came home from school. Is what I wanted, but I was surprised and you know kind of annoyed due to learn, that she’d already been upstairs and you know come home and been upstairs and gone again. So I hung around waiting for her and about 10-15 minutes after that, probably about 3:45 or so, something like that, she you know came back home, just stuck her, she didn’t chain her bike up, she just propped it against the stairwell there, and went upstairs, and came back down and 4:00 in a new outfit.
Agent: She had changed clothes.
Underwood: Yeah, the first time she came home, before she went and changed clothes, you know she stopped, she saw me standing there, and you know she was just like, oh that’s, this is horrible I had to, and I came home from school and realized that I had forgot my house keys at home and had to go back and get ‘em and it’s so hot today, I have to go up a big hill, and you know, she was just complaining about how hot she was and she just couldn’t believe how hot it was around here. She said it, she didn’t think it ever got that hot in Dibble, where she used to live. And um, then she went upstairs and came back down, in a new outfit and with uh, cup, uh a mug of ice milk, which the mug’s also in the bag with the uh, bicycle parts.
Agent: Okay.
Underwood: And she came down again and started talking about you know…and her bike was still sitting here unlocked, which was good, because that had my plan all along, just to take the bike too, so uh, it worked, or you know if I couldn’t get her on her way home from school, to take the bike so it’d look like she’d you know, was out on her bike and got kidnapped or run off or something like that. Anyway, she came downstairs and was still you know, she was like I, there’s nothing, when it’s this hot, nothing good, like a good, you know, ice, glass of ice milk, and uh, and she, you know, kinda chatted for a minute, and then asked to come inside and see my rat again, and she just sat there on the floor, uh, looking at my rat, and about the only tv I ever watch is cartoons, Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, Sponge Bob was on, and so she was kinda sitting there watching that and we were talking about the show a little, and, she was in my apartment, probably a good fifteen minutes. And uh, after she’d been in there a few minutes, you know when she first came in, it was like oh, now’s my chance, but then, you know, then I had to say no, I can’t do it, and I just kinda struggled with myself the whole time she was in there. And uh…
Agent: Was the struggle between right and wrong?
Underwood: Yeah, well, or kinda yeah, both that and well, not wanting to get caught. It was probably because you know, um, you know I can’t do this. I don’t wanna do it, but then, you know, yeah, I wanna do this.
Agent: And there’s a bit of fear, hey if I do this, I might get caught.
Underwood: Yeah, that was a large part of it too, but anyway when I even had a, I had all this stuff, I’d had all this stuff sitting there handy in that you know, entertainment center right by my door, I’d had, you know for the last month, I’d had a piece of duct tape stuck there so you know, I could just grab it and slide the tape over their mouth, and also the handcuffs sitting there on the shelf, so I could you know restrain ‘em hopefully before they had the time to yell or anything. And I’d also, ti would have been two or three nights before that I’d suddenly thought of the, it was mainly something that I had reserved for if I did grab an adult, something to subdue ‘em that I, tried to find something heavy I could hopefully hit ‘em on the head and knock ‘em out with, and the best thing I had was a slightly heavy wooden cutting board in the kitchen. So I had the sitting on the entertainment center at that time too, and after she had been in there a few minutes.
Agent: So you’d have it ready right there.
Underwood: So I could just kinda yank ‘em in and whack ‘em over the head. But I hadn’t planned to do that if it was a kid because, if it was a kid, like I said I wanted to keep ‘em conscious and make ‘em watch porn. But I had also, kinda, you know I also was as were watching the porn, you know, depending on how old they were you know, like telling them what was going on here, like well, this is sex, you know the guy does this and the woman does this and you know this is called an orgasm, you know, kind of teaching ‘em. But ‘em, and hopefully they’d wanna try it for themselves. Something like that, but anyway, you know so I, once she got in there, I kinda, as you know, it was more of the, kind of regrets and fears and I was like, you know, I better just knock her out. You know, knock her out and you know then restrain her while she’s unconscious. You know get her clothes off and everything while she’s unconscious and I’m not even going to bother with the porn, I’m just going to you know knock her out and rape her. After she had been in there a few minutes, I kind of you know, made my way around behind her, and was just knd of standing behind her, watching, and you know talkig to her as we’re watching the show and you know fighting with myself. I’d grabbed, I’d reached over there and grabbed the cutting board, and you know I put it down on the couch, I couldn’t do it. And so for like five minutes I just stood there and you know, going back and forth picking it up, putting it back down, and saying you know, then finally I was just like you know, either do it or tell her to get the hell out of the apartment, you know. And finally I did it. And you know, as soon as I hit her.
Agent: What did she say when you hit her?
Underwood: That’s something that’s you know, haunted me forever since it happened. She started yelling, “I’m sorry!” which you know, I’m like what is she sorry for? She didn’t do anything wrong, it’s me, you know I’m the one that should be sorry. She was just, you know, well I, you know whacked her on the head, and it made a lot of noise, if there was anyone home, you know, I mean if anyone, apparently no one had been home in the apartment next to me or above me, or I would have been caught for sure because it didn’t knock her out, she started screaming.
Agent: Kevin, how did you hold the board. I’m not clear to me how you hit her.
Underwood: Well, it had a, you know there was like a square, with you know, like a little hole cut out like a handle and I just held it in my hand I’m like whack…I just whacked her upside the side of the head. I was standing behind her. It was probably kind of side, top, but ‘cause I think, I think I did it with this hand, but no, it was probably this hand, but no, it was probably this hand, ‘cause I’m right handed and that was my stronger hand, so yeah, it was probably this right there.
Agent: And you were behind her?
Underwood: I was behind her and just whack.
Agent: And she was where?
Underwood: Sitting down on the floor, like in front of the tv and the rat cage. You know it’s right up against the rat cage you know I had to kind of wait for her to get in a position, I didn’t want her to like fall over on the rat cage, so I whacked her with that and she’s you know, she’s like owww, she started crying and she’s like, oh God, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, my God I’m sorry, and just saying I’m sorry over and over, mostly and I, so I whacked her again, and she jumped up, and you know I could, I couldn’t believe it didn’t knock her out. I hit here, you know, it’s all kind of a blur once it started happening, but I hit her, I think three times, maybe four.
Agent: All each time with the same cutting board?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Just hard as you could?
Underwood: I mean, every time I got harder, ‘cause I was like you know, why isn’t she unconscious yet?
Agent: Because you’d think when you hit somebody. Cause you see it on tv. Did she resist? Did she try?
Underwood: She like I said, she jumped, she was yelling, God I’m sorry and you know, you know, rape me God, I won’t tell and you know I mean after I hit her a couple of times, I finally just had to jump up and grab her and she was, I couldn’t believe how strong she was. I could barely hold her down. I finally, I liked to never got her down to the ground, I mean I had to, where you know, I didn’t wanna choke her, ‘cause like I said I wanted the body to pretty much perfect. Uh, so I didn’t’ want to leave the marks around her neck or anything so I just placed my hand over her.
Agent: Were you behind her?
Underwood: Yeah.
Agent: Did you have her n the ground?
Underwood: No, I was, she got up and was trying to run around and I grabbed her from behind, was kind of hugging her with the mouth over her, hand over her mouth and nose. And eventually, you know, after she started getting weaker and stuff, and I mean we flocked around, I’ve got pretty bad carpet burns on my knees from it.
Agent: So you were wearing shorts at the time?
Underwood: Yeah. Struggling with her on the ground. Cause then yeah, once I uh, you know I finally got her down to the ground, finally got her, you know I mean we struggled. It, it took me probably 15 20 minutes to kill her. To get her completely dead, because even then after, well, anyway, I struggled with her for a minute, finally got her down to the ground, on her stomach. And so I was kinda sittin’ on her back, you know, with my mouth over, no she was on her back, yeah, but sittin’ on her clamping my mouth…my hand on her…kinda sittin’ on her. Not really puttin’ my full weight on her, you know I was kinda like on my knees with a little bit of weight on her stomach to hold her down and uh…
Agent: Did you feel aroused at this point?
Underwood: Very. You know by the time I, by the time I got done killing her, you know, my underwear was soaked, you know when you get aroused, it’ll start you know, kinda leaking a little?
Agent: That pre-ejaculation.
Underwood: My underwear was pretty much soaked by th time she, well even before she was completely dead.
Agent: So are you telling me you were sexually gratified during this struggle?
Underwood: Pretty much, yeah.
Agent: Did you have an orgasm?
Underwood: No, I didn’t have an orgasm, but I was you know very aroused.
Agent: You had an erection, right?
Underwood: Yea, just standing there behind her and debating on killing her or not, you know I started to get an erection. But anyway, she still, I mean she was down on the floor she kept mea ll but slipping out of my grip and she ended up on her stomach, at one point, she ended up on her stomach, ‘cause I remember there was a toolbox sitting there by the edge of the loveseat, and you know as, kind of in her, like her last moment, just start, started kind of researching around, grabbing things and she like opened that toolbox and then she pretty much went limp and I laid there on her for a good couple of minutes more to make sure she was dead, ‘cause she’d still, every know on then, you know, just cramping through here, she’d still get a kind of a little bit of air sometimes through her fingers, and my grip slipped a little bit, so I laid there for awhile, and finally it was pretty sure she was dead, flopped her over, and then about 30 seconds later, she took a breath. So I had to jump on her and do it again. It took probably several more, you know it’s probably wasn’t as long as it seemed like, but it seemed like, but it seemed like it took her another five minute to get her limp then, and then finally when she was, I was pretty sure she was dead again, I uh, jumped up and grabbed the duct tape and put it over her mouth and nose because I was getting tired. My arms were getting sore from clamping down on her for so long
Agent: So you put a tight seal on her lips and that way you wouldn’t have to hold her anymore. You could assure she was gone?
Underwood: Yeah, I had to make sure she didn’t start breathing again this time and then once I got her taped up, I drug her into the bedroom, so I could open the front door and wheel her bike in.
Agent: Where did you put here in the bedroom?
Underwood: Just there in the floor like between the computer desk and the bed, I just like wheeled it kinda right through the door, far enough that I could close the door, so I could open the front door without anyone seeing.
Agent: Do you remember any of your neighbors seeing you talk to her that day right before she came into the apartment?
Underwood: Unless they were looking out the peephole or anything, I don’t think any of the neighbors had ever seen her talk to me at all. But now you now that was one of the thing that I was always so nerbous about, you know like with the apartment right across from me they had a door with a peephole, and I’m like, you know, what if they’re looking out the peephole right as I grab the kid, you know something like that.
Agent: So anyway, you took her back in there, then you went outside, did you get the bike?
Underwood: Yea, I got the bike, wheeled it in. First I stuck it in the uh, big walk in closet, just to get it out of the way, ‘cause, you know my bed so low to the ground, it wouldn’t a went under the bed till I removed the pedals and everything. You know that was the main fall in my plan, because with my plan to eat her and everything, it seemed like the bike was going to be a lot harder to dispose of than the body.
Agent: So you had given some thought about, hey, I got to get rid of this bike?
Underwood: And then, I never, like I said I never actually had sex with her, but after I got her bike in, you know she was laying there in the bedroom and I stripped her clothers off of her.
Agent: Where’d you put the clothes after you took them off.
Underwood: AT the time I just threw ‘em on the floor, and they were all wet and smelly, she’d wet herself when I was choking her, but I took her clothes off, liked her nipples a little and you know kinda smelled her vagina and I kinda got the tip of my penis in her, but that was it because I was gonna try to have sex with her right there.
Agent: When you say in her, can you describe whether that, what body part that would be?
Underwood: Her vagina.
Agent: Vagina.
Underwood: I mean like I said, I was going to but the way she was lying right on the floor, I couldn’t really get to her very good, so I just, just kind of, the tip of my penis kinda rubbed her vagina a little bit. You know it might have, as far as like DNA goes, you know there might be some of that pre-ejaculate on her.
Agent: Did you take all your clothes off?
Underwood: s soon as I get the bike in, I stripped myself then I stripped her donw and you know, was going to have sex with her and found out I couldn’t, so I was gonna move her I was gonna move her intot he living room, on to the big beach towel, it’s in the box with her. A big red beach towl that I had bought to you know, lay down on the couch, so I didn’t get anything on the couh.
Agent: Were you thinking at the time, were you thinking about hair, blood, you wanted to keep that from off your towel?
Underwood: What, and yeah, sex fluids and stuff like that.
Agent: You don’t want somebody coming in later and analyzing the couch.
Underwood: Yeah, pretty much. And so I was gonna drag her in there, in the living room, but she’s you know big for her age, paper said she’s 110 pounds and I was having a hard time you know flopping her over and rolling her around, and dragging her around so I decided that was the reason I had always wanted to, uh, my plan had always been to behead them while they were alive, was, so…you know, so the blood wouldn’t coagulate, and I could get all the blood out, uh, like you would when you butcher an animal. That way both the meat wouldn’t be bloody, and so when I put her in my bed, hopefully she wouldn’t leak any blood out on to the bed and stuff. And so I was like, well, it’s a lot closer and I don’t want you know she’s already been dead 10, 15 minutes, so I didn’t want the blood to get all coagulated so I’m just gonna go and drag her into the tub and behead her, and then have sex with her body. And I got her in there, draped her over the side of the tub. I thought I was stronger than this, but I could barelyh get her up on that tub. I got a big knife, it wasn’t a butcher knife, it’s one of the knives in my collection, it’s the only knife in my collection really, it’s this big 1/8th like dagger, and that, always seemed like it was pretty sharp, so that’s what I was gonna use, and I got her in there and propped her over the tub, with you know, just like her head, over the edge, hanging into the tub, and you know, kinda got my put a rubber band in her hair because I didn’t even want to, like I said I wanted the body perfect and clean, I didn’t want to get blood all in her hair and so I’d have to wash it and everything. And so I started sawing at her neck. I couldn’t believe the amount of blood that came out of a girl that small. And it was already clotted and everything.
Agent: Was it going down the drain of your tub?
Underwood: I had a bowl, a big white bowl, it’s in the kitchen on top of the microwave. I was gonna collect, you know a lot of the blood in that, probably taste it but when it started coming out you know what it was, you know pretty much hard to get it to go where I wanted it, and like I said it was already all dark and clotted and gross looking anyway, so most of it was going down to the tub. I had the water running and it was still almost clogged the drain it was so clotted already.
Agent: Did you ever pour any Drano down the toilet?
Underwood: I didn’t’ have Drano. I was gonna go out and buy some but I poured some other cleansers like some toilet bowl cleanser and stuff down there to help, hopefully break it up a little bit. I was afraid it would back up the pipes or something, and back up into other people’s apartments or something. You know they’d know something was going on and when they’d find her missing and know that someone in the apartment complex killed her.
Agent: So you had trouble sawing her head off?
Underwood: Yeah, you know I got to her spine and I just sawed and sawed and sawed and could not get through that last, and I was pretty much exhausted by then and like I said, you know as soon as I hit her, you know I wished I hadn’t started this but, as soon as I hit her the first time, I was like now it’s too late.
Agent: You’re committed.
Underwood: Can’t stop now. I mean that was the only reason I even went through with any of it, and then, you know I was disgusted at first, but then once I was climbing down on to pof her, holding her down and choking her, I got aroused again. But so at this point, you knw I was just disgusted I was like God this mess, and ‘cause I couldn’t even keep the blood in the but, it was running down her and right down the side of the tub into the floor and it was like at this point, I, just clean up this mess and get the body out of here. I’m not even going to have sex with her. I guess I was already pretty upset, I wish I hadn’t didn’t it, you know I wish I could take it back.
Agent: So at that point did you start thinking about coming up with a plan that I won’t get caught?
Underwood: I had to change all my plans since there was going to be a body.
Agent: And you were thinking about, how am I gonna dispose of the body and how am I gonna dispose of the bicycle.
Underwood: I had bought that big Rubbermaid container she’s in. I had bought that specifically for this too. It was just like a big 50 liter gray, Rubbermaid container, like a storage container with a lid on it. I bought it for the purpose of keeping the body around for a couple of days, but I wanted to still be able to eat it when I was done, so I didn’t want it to go bad, I wanted to have an ice chest, but they didn’t really have any ice chests big enough to put a kid in, that weren’t like really expensive. So I was just like well I’ll get a big container like this, it seals fairly well and just keep a bunch of bags of cie in there.
Agent: So at this point you decide you’re going to put her in the tub?
Underwood: The plan all along for disposing of the bones was just to use that duffel bag thing, but I was hoping I could still get the body in there, but I got her and realized well she’s way to big for this, and I’d like to never even got her in that tub. From about 4 to maybe 5-6:30, I was online talking to that girl in California, while the half-beheaded corpse was sitting there in the bathroom, propped against the tub draining.
Agent: Was your mind that I need to set up an alibi for where I was ‘cause you seem to say when we were talking to like, she can vouch for me?
Underwood: No, I came up with that afterwards. I mean I was just genuinely talking to her ‘cause I decided that I went to try to get rid of the body but they were still bleeding too much, and the stomach contents were pouring out of the neck and I was like, well, I’m gonna let it sit here for a few hours and coagulate some more so maybe I can move it without you know bleeding everywhere so much. So I just kinda went about my business with this, I closed the door, ‘cause like I said I was sick, you know sick to my stomach that I’m doing this and I didn’t even wanna see the corpse. I just kind a closed it up in the bathroom with some incense burning to cover up the vomit smell from going up to the air vent. Some of the contents of her stomach were leaking out of her neck when I tried to move her. I can often smell things coming from other apartments, when they’re cooking something strong, and I didn’t want people to smell the blood and vomit, so I put some strong incense burning in there and closed the doors, just sat there at the computer for a couple of hours talking to her. I wasn’t talking much ‘cause I was feeling really sick, really bad. Partially from what I did and partially because I was wore out and sweating and hot from exertion and I don’t do well in warm temperatures, it’s just sitting there, that was part of what was making me sick, back there in that office, because it was even in here’s too hot for me. I grew up in a house, my parents kept it 70 degrees, I start tog et hot. I was sick to my stomach, about to vomit, but I was sittin’ there at the computer and talking to her until well then I was occasionally stepping outside, you know helping them lookf or the girl. Stuff like that, setting it up as an alibi there and acting like I was all concerned about her missing. I noticed they were looking for her pretty much right after I killed her, I looked out and noticed the Dad got home a little early, it seemed like he was home before five I think and it was probably five when he started walking around and get it in his truck and drive around. I went out there one of the times specifically so he could has me, have you seen her and I said no. And so he did, I was like, no, anyway, I told her the story that the last time I saw her when I saw her come home from school, she went upstairs, came back down and rode off, that’s the last time I saw her. I was keeping a watch for her in case she came back while Dad was gone, talking to the manager and stuff, you know, I hope they find her soon, this is horrible. You know just kinda setting myself and making myself look concerned, but not too concerned because that would make me look like a suspect. So finally about 8 I was like I’d like to stay out here and help, but I gotta get back to bed because I’ve gotta work early in the morning. I went inside and finally finished cleaning the body and it still bled everywhere. I had to wash the tub out and wash the floor and scrub the floor.
Agent: Did you cut limbs off?
Underwood: No, she’s not cut up at all, except for the neck.
Agent: So you just packed her in the box…
Underwood: By that time I had such a hard time getting her into that, because she was already stiff and she had been in like a kneeling position on the tub, so her legs were all bent up like this. I couldn’t get her knees to go down far enough to get the lid on. That was the main reason it was taped at first, because it wouldn’t go down far enough to snap on, so I snapped it and taped it down so it stayed snapped on. Then yesterday I went in there and taped it more to seal it, in case it started smiling. The smells wouldn’t get out.
Agent: The clothes you were wearing during all this, did you put those in the box with it?
Underwood: NO, I still wore them the next day.
Agent: They didn’t get much
Underwood: Every time I’d get wet, I wore, I wore ‘em when I was choking her, but then you know when I was cleaning up the messes and cutting her head off and everything, I had my clothes back off. Except for a pair of underwear. A gray, pair of underwear. I think I stuck them back in my underwear drawer because I didn’t get anything n them either. I’m sorry, I tried to remember, but she was still making a huge mess, so I go a tarp I had also bought for this purpose. About the same time I bought the tub, I bout the container. I bought it at the local Walmart. I think. So I went to move her and she was bleeding everywhere, so I bought the tarp for that purpose of not getting blood because I was gonna have sex with her on the couch but when I went to torture ‘em and stuff I was probably gonna put ‘em on the floor on the tarp. Because there’d probably be some blood, and so I bought it for that but when I went to move her, I was like I couldn’t even move her, she’s so heavy, so I’m gonna try to flop her over onto this tarp and maybe I can slide the tarp around her a little better, and wrap her up in that, so I kinda laid her on the tarp and folded it over a little and then got her in some trash bags as good as I could. I put that red towel on the bottom of the tub to soak up any blood or anything, ‘cause at first I figured I’d stuff the body somewhere , was the tub out and bring it back. Then at the end I was like no, I don’t’ even wanna open the tub and look at this body, I’m just gonna drag the tub out to the field and set it on fire. And ‘cause that had been a part of the plan all along, if somehow I wasn’t able to eat them, and there was a body left over ‘cause here until just a week ago we were having like a really bad drought. Fires were just breaking out all over, so I was going to drag her out to a field and set it on fire. Fire would burn most of the remains, and kind of destroy any like hairs and DNA evidence I’d lifet in the field hopefully. I kinda got tired and sick again, so anyway, I’ve got her with those bags, finally got her in the tub, but couldn’t get her knees in there. I finally was able to maneuver a little in there I could get the, lid at least halfway on. I taped it down.
Agent: When did you take the bike apart?
Underwood: I think it was the same night, Wednesday night. And then I was gonna go home tonight, bedcause even that frame that was left over, I couldn’t take it apart, I think it was going to be too big for the duffel bag so I was going to try to use the hacksaw to cut it up a little bit.
Agent: Did you have to go anywhere to buy the tools?
Underwood: No, my parents got me a box of tools for my 18th birthday.
Kevin begins vomiting uncontrollably. Interview ends.
Feel free to email me at bfollett@okcfox.com if you have any questions about the trial.
March 9, 2008
District Attorney Greg Mashburn says he will release the video taped confession on Monday. When we get it, you'll see it. To read Underwood's confession scroll down to February 28th.
March 5, 2008
Underwood Sentencing Day Three
Two doctors testified to corroborating the testimony of yesterday's doctor.
Dr. Martin Kaska
Psychiatrist from Harvard Medical School
Treats sexual abusers with a specialization in sexual impulsivity disorders and has written 30 articles
Met with Kevin Underwood at the county jail for 4-5 hours last year and spoke with his parents for 3 hours
Considered his confession, blogs, notebooks and interviews
Underwood's Notebook
-Absolutely believes Kevin Underwood suffers from psychiatric problems dating back to childhood.
-While he was taking notes about math or history, he was making extraneous notes in the margins, "I can't keep my mind on this, I keep thinking about Melissa. Damn this noice inside my head, die. I can't control myself anymore. The computer is controlling my life. I'm going insane, I miss my mind the least. I'm in hell; I'm in hell, shut up!"
In one of his notebooks from September of 2004 Underwood was depressed about his lack of a sex life. "If people knew the kind of things I think about, I'd probably be locked away. I know I would be."
"I'm not mad at Melissa. I love her more than anything."
Dr. Kaska says that means Underwood is very angry at Melissa for cancelling his trip to California.
"I feel them staring at me, they're laughing at me, because of the way I look. Mothers clench their child's hands more tightly when I walk by. I don't dress like them, I don't act like them. It's not easy marching to the beat of a different drum."
February 2006 blog, "I can't handle social interaction. I get pissed off."
"All I want in life is to be able to live like a normal person."
"I wish I could be human."
Dr. Kaska's Diagnosis
1)Developmental Disorder-Schizotypal Personality-odd eccentric behavior, not the same social cues, verbal childhood abuse
2)Bi-Polar II-Highs and lows extreme-one severe depression-two hypomania episodes (mild manic episodes)
3)Paraphelias-Deviations of sexual arousal and preferences-the more you have the more "ill" you are-usually in males-Underwood obsessed with sex involving urine, vomit, eating, or watching people get eaten-masturbates 3 times a day every day, which is less than 1% of the population.
Dr. Kaska says there is a clear difference between impulsivity versus choice. His brain was overcme with these insane obsessions, it's like an itch, he couldn't concentrate because of the sick thoughts he was having, the thoughts are impulsive but he put it in the plan. He made choices.
This is a very terrible thing that happened, what came across with his lifelong struggle to be normal, and complete instablity to do that. He aspired to have a romantic relationship, but failed. His depression became more and more sever, and it sapped his energies to become normal. "He gave in."
Can medications help Underwood? Yes. Medicines can reduce the occurance of paraphelias.
He would not be a danger to inmates because, "This guy may not have done anything if he didn't have the Internet feeding his mind."
Cross Examination
Prosecutors say he could still have access to pornography in prison, maybe not the Internet.
Questions for Underwood
In the last 6 months have you had fantasies which concern you? yes.
Have you acted on those urges? Yes.
In an average week, how much time have you spent thinking about oral sex? 30 min/day
Have you spent money on pornography or dildos? Yes.
Have you ever:
Had sex with pre-pubescent girls? Urge past and present
Touched girls younger than 13? Yes, one
Bound or tortured? Acted
Touch non-consenting adults? Fantasy past and present
Used fake body parts for masturbation? More than 100 times
Fantasized about women's clothes? 11-20 times
Used physical force on a woman, man or child? Acted
Rape fantasies? Past and current urges
Use Internet to chat with women sexually? Current and past urges
Masturbate excessively? More than 1,000 times
Anal sex with women? Fantasized about it before the crime
Triggers-Lonliness, boredom, horniness, frustration
Did his act on Jamie Bolin reinforce his thoughts and paraphelias? yes.
Dr. Antoinette McGaraham
Neuropsychologist
Underwood-127 IQ
Learning disabilities in math and reading comprehension
His brain is intact and functioning from a cognitive perspective
Found evidence of malingering in several tests-lying to make himself sound worse.
Diagnosic Impressions
Dystymic Disorder-Chronic low grade depression, fatigued
Social Phobia-afraid to be in public
Learning Disorder-math and reading comprehension
Very low psychopathic characteristics
Mr. Underwood poses a low potential threat in prison and is likely to be a target, given his demeanor.
Cross Examination
Do you agree he is a sexually violent predator? No.
Do you agree Kevin Underwood's brain works just fine? Physically yes, but he has chemical problems.
Underwood described himself in one of the tests as, "Pretty happy, not mean to people."
Do you agree sexual offenders are more likely to reoffend? No, I do not agree.
The defense closed with testimony from Underwood's mom, Connie Underwood. She tearfully told the jury she loved her son and asked them to spare his life. She says she has spoken with Kevin in jail and if he could change what happened he would have.
March 4, 2008
Underwood Sentencing Day Two
Dr. Reggie Schmidt
Solo family practitioner who saw Underwood in 1996 and then again in 2001. After 2001 he saw Underwood for depression four to five times. Intially he prescribed Underwood Zoloft and then changed the prescription to Lexipro. He refilled the prescription several times.
Cross Examination
The prosecution pointed out there were large gaps in treatment. He was prescribed Zoloft in October of 2003 and then years passed before he was given Lexipro. Underwood did not describe any sexual urges or obsessions with porn to the doctor. Dr. Schmidt says depression is a common diagnosis that millions of Americans suffer from.
Gayle Coburn
Underwood's aunt, his father's sister. Says she spent a lot of time with Kevin when he was really young. He was a cute, cute little boy. She described a picture taken of Kevin when he was little, where he was reaching out to hug the air. She did not see him much as he got older. He and his cousin came to visit her a couple of times in Dallas. When he was younger she noticed he did not play with the other kids and did not respond to hugs. Like the picture, it was as if he was reaching out to play but couldn't make the next step.
Gayle says he would often make inappropriate noises and had an exaggerated blinking of the eye problem. He could not start school on time because he flunked a physical exam because he could not hop on one foot, but he could read. When he ran, he would not move his arms.
He was different, "He didn't march to the same drum as the rest of us march from."
"He was always on the outside looking in."
Gayle says she received an email from Kevin once he graduated from high school. He mentioned he would drive to college in Chickasha and was so afraid people might laugh at him so he would sit in his car and not go in. She says his email sounded hopeless so she told him to call and get help.
She says she has been in contact with him while he has been in jail and that he talked about how afraid he was.
What was your reaction when you found out he had been arrested for this crime? I was totally shocked, unbelievable, I would have never believed Kevin would harm anything because he would never defend himself.
Kevin was into writing but then got into macabre, dark humor. She tried to help him get a job but he was too shy to make the phone call.
Does Kevin life's have value? Yes, but I think he probably has to spend the rest of his life in prison. He brainwashed himself, but that doesn't mean he can't turn his his brain toward something else. I know it seems unbelievable to those who don't know him but, "He is a beautiful person."
Cross Examination
He needs to be in prison because he's dangerous, right? He was dangerous once and could be unpredictable.
You paint his childhood as a horrible, difficult troubled, tortured life? Yes. Other relatives don't seem to think that? That suprises me.
He didn't want to go to a museum with lots of people, but he went to a public school? Yes and was tortured. Everyone in school tortured him? He had 3 close friends. 3 friends, that's not enought? He had this inner lonliness, emptiness. But you only saw him every once in a while, wouldn't you say the people here who claim to be his best friends would be better judges? Not necessarily. I'm a clinical social worker.
Were you aware of his obsession with porn? No.
Does he empathize with people? Yes. Does he emotionally connect with people? Difficult, but yes.
She told a story about how Kevin brought his gerbil to her house and it ran on a wheel all night. When it drove him crazy, he put it in the closet and it was dead the next morning. He threw it away like it was no big deal, cage and all.
Valerie Sanders
Began her testimony in tears.
Says her nephew kept to himself a lot, was not affectionate and made involuntary noises.
Says Kevin said to her, "Sometimes you wouldn't believe the weird things that go through my mind." She didn't think anything of the comment, she just didn't understand.
Does his life have value? Yes.
Cross Examination
When his relationship with Melissa Custer fell apart Valerie says it's amazing how well he handled it.
Could you tell the difference between when he was on and off of the medication? He would seem more energetic one way or the other. Maybe a little more edgy.
Have you ever been in his apartment? No.
The day after Jamie disappeared, she says Kevin did not read his book in the car after work.
Alan Warren
Carls Jrs general manager
Says Kevin was the main drive through cashier, he took orders, bagged orders, and made change.
Was he trustworthy Yes.
Did he get along with other employees? Yes. He was real quiet, he kept to himself.
Dependable? Yes.
Did he get along with the general public? Not really outgoing, but not rude. He did not get flustered so he was a good drive through worker.
Did he ever make you feel uncomfortable? No.
Kevin told him he dropped out of school because he couldn't pay for class.
Cross Examination
Says he was a normal guy, somewhat withdrawn, but was able to have appropriate conversation with coworkers.
Described Kevin as having a dry witty sense of humor and could crack a joke without laughing, but it was hilarious.
Larry Underwood
Says Kevin stayed in his room too much.
At 28 he'd never heard him say a curse word, never caught him in a lie.
Had one traffic ticket in his life.
Never missed an honor roll.
Tried out for t-ball, but it didn't work out. Kevin told him, "I did it for you dad."
Tried football one year, but he was not athletic.
Do you feel you were hard on him? At times, yes. I didn't understand him. I didn't understand his problems.
He was mowing lawn by 13 and worked at Carl's Jrs. by the time he turned 16. He worked there for 8 years.
Would take Kevin to work nearly every day. He started work at 5am. He never had to worry about Kevin slacking off.
Says he had been in Kevin's apartment several times. But Kevin would usually shower and come home for dinner. For the last year he hadn't come over quite as often.
April 12, 2006, Kevin shouted at his mother three times. It was very out of place.
Didn't smoke or do durgs, they found liquor bottles in his house but most of them looked like they had just been opened and only a taste was missing.
Larry was aware of his son's relationship with Melissa Custer and says he was devastated when he did not go out to visit her.
Could not believe Kevin would commit a crime because, "Had they told me Kevin stole a pack of gum at Walmart, I'd have asked to see the film."
Kevin was aware Larry's older brother's wife shot him while he was asleep.
Mr. Underwood, was your son a disappointment? He's got all of this intelligence that I thought he should put to use. Nothing ever went forward for him. He could have done so much with his life. I wasn't so much disappointed in him, as I was disappointed for him.
Dio you love your son? Yes. Larry started crying, "I didn't love him enough."
Kevin wiped his eyes with a tissue.
Do you think the jury should spare his life? Yes, please.
Cross Examination
He just didn't fit in. I would ride him very hard about getting a job. I'd raise my voice. I had him crying one day.
Did you ever see him have a panic attack? He would break out in sweats, walked with his arms down to his side, like a zombie walk.
That day, he was very anxious to get his luandry done, it irritated her because it was not like him to keep hounding her.
Says Kevin wanted to go to the police department to be questioned by officers about Jamie's disappearance. Larry told him they would probably keep him if he did that, they'd never let him go.
"I just couldn't understand why he couldn't face people."
McClain County Undersheriff and Detention Director
Says Underwood is in a single cell with one window and a hole to serve food. He does not talk with deputies much. Has been a model inmate.
Dr. Robert Allan
Psychologist
Often integrates mental health with the criminal justice system and has a specialism in sexual violence. Met with Underwood twice at the Purcell jail for 11 hours.
Says Underwood had a highly troubled childhood from his vantage. He was not abused but had a difficult relationship with his mother and father. He spent 11 1/2 years as an only child. His mother had bouts with extreme violence. His father was emotionally and psychologically abusive.
He was tortured during his early years at school. Graduated with a 3.6 GPA. In college, he was "paralyzed by anxiety, couldn't stand the prospect of going into the classroom." It was a debilitating anxiety.
Believes Underwood to be heterosexual and interested in girls his own age. His first crush dates back to first grade and at 10 years old, discovered the Internet and HBO. He mentioned many women he fantasized about having relationships with.
He has a long history of depression. It did not become serious until he turned 18. He developed a dark and morbid fascination wtih death. During their time together he brought up serial killers, JFK's assassination and even mentioned Hannibal Lector. He talked about being flooded with fantasies about murder, 24 hours a day, those fantasies are so urgent and compelling he had to do it. He thought if he just did it, the fantasies would stop and he could go back to his normal life.
That day he had margaritas.
In jail, Underwood told the doctor he didn't look at himself in the mirror for 4-5 months and felt bad for himself and the fact he hurt the girl.
Diagnostic Impressions
1) Severe neurodevelopmental disorder
2) Lifelong depression
3) Severe anxiety
What caused him to get out of control? I don't know. Are his disorders a danger to the prison staff? He's spent his entire life afrad ofpeople. He's spent much of his life getting beaten up. I can only imagine what will happen in a penal institution. He has a very high risk of being attacked.
Doctor testified he has no reason to believe he was insane and is not mentally retarded, in fact his IQ is well above average.
Cross Examination
Prosecution pointed out that the doctor's opinions are under the assumption that the information provided by Underwood is correct. Prosecution could not substantiate some of the bullying incidents. Prosecution pointed out that when Underwood was 10, there was no Internet for him to look at porn on.
The murder of Jamie Bolin did not spur any serious depression in Kevin.
During their time together, the doctor says Kevin kept going back to thoughts of death, exhibiting a fascination of death.
Doctor says Underwood's crime was highly disorganized and fragmented. "It's impossible to conclude someone formulates a plan to kill and doesn't go beyond storing the body in his closet." Doctor calls Underwood's plan as fragmented thoughs about how to carry out the crime, as opposed to pre-meditation. "He convinced himself he could carry out the plan."
Says sometimes Underwood liked to dress in women's clothing.
Diagnosed Kevin with Sadism-the sexual arousal by pain and suffering of the partner.
Do any of these disorders explain why he killed Jamie Bolin? Yes and No. There is no single disorder that will provide information as to why someone kills someone. Is it possible, he made a choice to kill Jamie? We all make choices about hat we choose to do or not to do.
Underwood told you he was capable of controlling his fantasies.
Prosecution quoted the doctor's study that says homicides are very rarely sexually motivated but that 3/4 of serial sexual homicides involve sexual fantasies. The majority of serial sexual homicides involve perpetrators with peraphelias, like Underwood. The motive for repition is usually because the homicide never lives up to the fantasy so they have to keep trying.
Do you agree he's a danger to society? I would assume there's no option to release him back today. He will get a life sentence with parole. Do you believe he would be a dnager if he walked out today? Simply because he committed one horrible act, it does not speak to the risk he would pose to society. He still has fantasies. He still has the same intrests in porn. He's still masturbating several times a day in jail.
Doctor says he's convinced Underwood would be no threat to other inmates.
March 3, 2008
Underwood Sentencing Day One
The state filed what's called a "Bill of Particulars." For jurors to find Underwood guilty of First Degree Murder the state has to prove two things:
1) The murder of Jamie Bolin was especially heinous atrotious or cruel
2) Criminal acts show that Kevin Underwood poses a continuing threat to society
The defense told jurors in opening statements, "If you do not listen to this evidence, our system fails." The focus of the sentencing phase focuses on weighing and balancing the facts as well as the lifetime of Kevin Underwood.
D Cordrey
OSBI Computer Crimes Unit Agent
Examined Underwood's hard drive, looked at pictures graphic images, and movies. Says he found a good deal more pornography than on the average computer he examines in his job. He was also looking for any references to death.
1) "Anime-mit-iodine" Cartoon picture of a woman cut up like sushi. Part of her body was being picked up by chopsticks. Stored in folder "Whee!" and subfolder "Porn"
2) "Baby Doom" 3 pictures of a baby. The first one says, "Baby Doom knew they all had to die." The second, "But after they died who would change him, who would feed him?" The third, "There had to be an answer." Stored in folder "Kevin" subfolder "Pictures"
3) "99-Baby Food" Baby in boiling pot. Folder "Kevin" subfolder "Pictures" sub-subfolder "Wierd"
4)3 discection photos of female body on autopsy table.
Anthony Johnston
D.A. Investigator
Reviewed DVD disk
1) Shows man in lab coat with surgical tools, the body of a young woman on a gurney, the man making long cuts on arms and legs to expose bone, continued by disecting and removing organs, even the genital organs. Narrated in German.
2) Same tools, small metal tray, different sizes of brians. The man disects the brains into quarter pieces for display.
Investigator says he has never seen anything like it.
Elvira Griffin
Hairstylist at S. Western and 240
April 7, 2006 she says Underwood walked in and sat on the bench behind her station. He was wearing jeans and a bluish grey shirt. He asked her if she could do his hair. He made a comment about the picture of her little boy sitting on her station. He said it was child pornography and that she can't show her little girl's nipples. She told him it was not porn because it was her little boy and that you couldn't see his nipples. She tried to get him to relax and make him feel comfortable as she began cutting his hair. He brought up serial killers, saying when he lived in California, he saw his Aunt murder his Uncle. She told him he would eventually get over it and that her mother died a few years back. He asked her, "Doesn't that make you want to murder someone?" She says he asked her if she knew how to cook organs. She thought he was talking about Liver but suggested he get some meat tenderizer and look up a recipe on the Internet. She checked his ID when he paid and asked if he was related to Carrie Underwood. She says he said, "Who's that?" When she heard his name on the news she freaked out.
Impact Statements
Jennifer Bolin and Curtis Bolin made victim impact statements requesting the jury give him the death penalty for the murder of their daughter.
State Rests Case 11:45 am
Defense
Underwood's 1st Cousin Brandy
Grew up in Purcell, in the same grade as Underwood, lived across town.
She spent three summers with Kevin for a couple of weeks at a time. During that time she walked to the convenience store, the water park and Six Flags. One summer they spent time playing computer games.
In school, Brandy says kids would beat him up, surround him in groups. He would call her anme and it got to where he would say her name and they would run away. She would hit and kick the boys until they left Kevin alone. She says he would not defend himself because he would get in trouble by the teachers and have to go to the office.
She described him as a large, overweight, red head who did not communicate well, but was very smart in school. Sometimes she says he woudl seem happy but other times she could tell he was down.
Underwood was famous for his "Chipmunk Laugh". She says sometimes he didn't even realize he was doing it.
When she heard he had been arrested for Jamie Bolin's murder she says her first reaction was, "At first I thought they are still picking on him after all these years."
Is this the same person you grew up with? No.
Did he get along with his father? I don't think so.
Were you ever concerned about your safety while you were with Underwood? No.
Cross Examination
Did Underwood have a normal childhood? Yes. Did he get beat up every day at recess? 90% of the time. In random places on the playground.
Says he knew he was on medication.
Chris Landsdale
Underwood's best friend from 6th grade through graduation. He saw him a couple of weeks before the murder. Says Underwood is very quiet, reserved, he was the target of bullies at school, but with his close friends he liked to goof around, he was just one of the guys.
Chris says one time the seniors took duct tape and wrapped it around Underwood's head. Chris says his friend got frustrated, but he said he ripped it off of his head and went back to doing what he was doing hoping they'd leave him alone.
Relationship with his father-Very cold. He never referred to him as dad, it was Bo. There was no emotion between the two. Bo would say jerk things to him. H ewould insult Kevin's friends. It was just cold.
Relationship with his mother-Connie is a wonderful woman but one time they woke up to thumping and screams. Kevin stepped out and said they needed to stay in the room for awhile. He had a pretty good relationship with his mother. Better than with his father.
They both like video games, the paranormal, the JFK assisnation, computers.
Says Underwood did not talk to him about his fantasies. The only time they talked about cannibalism, they had been drinking and Chris asked Kevin if he was one of three people on a deserted island, and one of them died, would they eat the body.
Says he would come over and they would surf porn, have a few drinks and go to a bar.
When he saw him a couple of weeks before the murder, they had a couple of beers, a pizza, and then went to a strip club near the airport in OKC. He could tell he was tense. He wasked him what was wrong, but he clammed up on him.
Have you ever seen him act violently? Never.
What was your reaction to the murder? Complete utter disbelief, shock, I thought maybe something made him flip.
Would you visit him in prison? yes.
Does his life have value? Yes.
Cross Examination
Says it was Underwood was like a sponge, absorbing the bullying. It was his nature not to fight back. He sponged it up. He wasn't the only kid in the school who got picked on. He was not a mama's boy, but he respected her and she loved him. They would visit Crime Library, a site on teh web that has information on all of the major cases.
Another friend provided similar testimony.
Jeanie Benjamin
Worked with Underwood at Carls Jrs. Says she got along with him quite well. He never made her feel uncomfortable. She got into a car accident, that killed her boyfriend and he went to visit her every day for 3 weeks and would stay for several hours with her at the hospital.
She did not know that he had a crush on her until after he was arrested.
Dale Estes
Worked with Underwood as supervisor at grocery store. Says he felt Underwood had "adult autism" because he had no social skills.
Three teachers testified Underwood was a good, normal student.
February 29, 2008
In 25 minutes, the jury found Kevin Underwood guilty of first degree murder. Sentencing begins Monday morning.
Inas Yacoub Medical Examiner
Testimony coming soon!
February 27, 2008
Underwood Trial Day 3
Evidence from Underwood's Apartment
Items are graphic!!!!
Photos
-Underwood's car (searched but no evidence recovered)
-Walmart bags with groceries in front of pantry door
-Meat tenderizer in pantry
-Wooden cutting board leaning next to refrigerator
-White plastic bowl on top of microwave
-Medicine pack on counter (Lexipro)
-Red residue fond near sink
-Metal skewers in kitchen drawer
-Toolbox next to sofa
-Rat cages
-White trash bag containing adult videos
-Small knife on top of entertainment center
-Duct tape, drop cloth, rope, and hacksaw inside toolbox
-Sword on sofa
-Wrapper for trash bags on floor in front of love seat
-Cleaning supplies in closet
-Pill bottle (Lexipro)
-blood stain on edge of bathtub
-Towels and clothing in duffel bag
-Duct tape on bookshelf near bedroom and incense
-Mens underwear found inside drawer in dresser
-Bed (bike tire underneath)
-Electric razor on desk (medical examiner found loose hairs in Jamie Bolin's vaginal area)
-Swords, a baseball bat stacked in corner of closet along with a walking stick
-Kids Meal bag containing children's toys
-Adult toys in computer box
-Grey tote with weights on top
-Jamie Bolin's body wrapped in plastic, covered with clothes, and eye glasses
-Girls shorts and underwear
-Inside the tote stained with blood
-Picture of body on autopsy table with black bags over head and legs, clear plastic over entire body
Evidence Collected
-Duct tape
-Small knife in living room
-7 Pornography DVD's
-Paper towel stained with blood in trash can
-Cutting board
-White bowl
-Meat tenderizer
-Incense
-Underwood's bank statement and checkbook
-3 metal skewers
-Duct tape attached to bloody paper towel also in kitchen trash
**The following items are very graphic**
-Fake rubber anus
-Fake rubber vagina
-Daggar from dresser in bedroom
-Walmart receipts from February 2006 for duct tape and hacksaw purchases
-"Bloodcurdling tales of horror in the Macabre" by H.P. Lovecraft
-"Dreams of Terror and Death" by H.P. Lovecraft
-"Jehovah's Kingdom" pamphlet
-Bike under bed, partially dismantled
-Duffel bag filled with bike parts
-M&M mug
-Compaq computer box
-Barbie doll head with two nails stuck in both eyes and cheeks
Inside Compaq Computer Box
-Handcuffs
-Bag with Tampons
-Several pairs of women's panties in a bag
-Box containing "Sex Buddy" (fake rubber vagina)
-Fake rubber mouth
-Speculum (used during gynecological procedures)
-7 Dildos (fake penis's)
-Vibrator
-Bulb (some sort of suction device)
-Hair accessories, toothbrush, dice
-Lotions and lubricants
-Large grey tote
-Duct tape removed from tote
-Black trash bag wrapped around victim's body
-Clear plastic wrapped around entire body
Inside Tote
-Red towel at bottom of tote
-Striped towel on top of body
-Blue shirt, panties, and shorts
-Eyeglasses on top of everything
-Rubberband in Jamie Bolin's hair
-Bike chain
February 26, 2008
Underwood Trial Day 2
Curtis Bolin
Jamie’s father, works as a service tech for General Motors. Two years ago he lived in Purcell in the Purcell Park Apartments and had been there for 10 years.
His daughter, Jamie Rose Bolin was born on August 7, 1995.
You and Jamie’s mom? We are separated. I’ve been raising Jamie since she was about six months old until she was 10.
What grade was Jamie in, in April of 2006? I don’t remember.
Does 5th grade sound right? Yes.
What was her routine before school? I would get her up, we’d eat breakfast at home sometimes. Otherwise she’d eat in the cafeteria at school. I always took her to school then I’d go to work.
Where did you live? We lived in apartment in Purcell. We had lived there about a year.
Any pets? 1, Sandy, Jamie’s dog.
After school, what was the routine? She’d go straight home, do her homework, take care of the dog.
What time did school let out? 3:00.
Once she got to the house, did she usually stay there? Yes. She was supposed to.
Did Jamie have a bike? Yes.
Did she ride it to school? I usually took her.
What happened at night when you got home? I’d get in, start cooking dinner, help her with her homework, and start putting her to bed.
Prosecutor puts up pictures of the apartment building on overhead projector.
Did you know Mr. Underwood? Yes. I knew the name.
Where did he live? In the apartment downstairs and across the breezeway.
Where was Jamie’s bike kept? We chained it to the stairs.
What happened April 12, 2006? Jamie went to school. I took her. She didn’t want to eat at the house. She didn’t want to get out of bed.
How old was she? 10.
Did she have a cell phone? No.
Did you usually talk to her during the day? No.
So it wasn’t odd that you didn’t talk to her that day? No.
What time did you get home? 2 minutes after 5. I went up to the apartment and she wasn’t there. The dog hadn’t been taken for a walk. So I figured she was playing with a friend at another apartment. But when I went there the friend had not seen her. When she wasn’t there, I drove to see if she was still at the library. She was not.
Were you concerned at this point? Yes. I asked the lady at the counter at the library if she had seen a little red head girl. Said she hadn’t seen her. So I went to the manager of the apartment complex to see if he had seen her and he said no.
So you drove around some more? The apartment manager and I drove to another neighborhood where another one of her friend’s lived and she was not there either.
What were you thinking? I was no thinking, I was panicked.
So eventually you went to the police department? Yes, the Purcell p.d.
Who did you talk to there? I don’t remember, it’s all a blur, I don’t remember names. I told him my daughter was not at home and she’s usually there. I was pretty concerned. He told me to go back to the apartment and wait there.
Did you knock on Underwood’s door? Tim did. The apartment manager.
Did he answer? Yes.
Did you have a conversation? Yes. What did he say? Tim asked if he had seen Jamie and Underwood said he hadn’t.
Did he have pet? I know he did have a rat because Jamie told me about it.
Did the pet rat concern you? I told her you can’t be trusting people and do not go into anyone’s apartment.
Did she understand that? I thought she did.
So did you gave the officer a picture of Jamie? Yes. Did you start calling your family? Yes. I called my brothers, her grandparents, and her mom.
Where was her mom? In California, driving her truck.
So did people want to help? The whole family came out and started searching.
What were you thinking at this point? We were fearing the worst. I didn’t know what else to think.
What description